What if Education… Podcast
Can we change the way we educate? Do we need to change? How about, do we even want change?
Taking a slightly unorthodox approach, in each episode, teachers, students and experts share their ideas of how they think the future of education will unfold. The host, Monika Theron, evokes free-thinking by sneaking controversial topics into conversations with her guests. Monika wants to find out how comfortable educators and learners are with new and developing concepts in education.
Expected outcomes: crazy ideas, humour and open-minded conversations.
Subscribe and listen on…
Education for sustainability: A look into the future
What does sustainability mean to you? How does it or has it affected you in your own life? Should universities be the leaders in educating people how to be more sustainable?
Listen to Monika and her guests David Zetland a university lecturer in political economy at Leiden University College (LUC) and Soem Zeijlmans, a recent graduate majoring in Governance, Economics, and Development from LUC, as they dive into sustainability topics, share their experiences and of course the “What if’s”.
Series 1: Education in 2030 (3-part)
Education in 2030: Part 1
Monika speaks to Dr. María Gabriela Palacio, Assistant Professor of Development Studies, Social Policy and International Studies at Leiden University and Nicole Kadlec currently a student of International Studies as well as an assistant student working at the Centre for Innovation, also at Leiden University.
The curveball in this 3-part series: the education of the future uses micro-chips and social scoring. How do the guests feel about it?
Education in 2030: Part 2
We are joined by Jaap Brons, a History teacher, currently teaching Humanities at the Highschool Academie Tien based in Utrecht, and Pelle Berkhout a post-graduate student specialising in Latin American Studies and International Relations, as well as a student assistant at the Centre for Innovation also at Leiden University.
How do the visions of education in 2030 of Jaap and Pelle differ from the guests in our first episode? Are they more comfortable with the microchipping and social scoring system?
Education in 2030: Part 3
In this last episode of the 3-part series Monika dives into the future of education with Marcello A. Gómez Maureira, a researcher and designer, and a teacher at the Leiden Institute of Advanced Computer Science as well as a PhD candidate at Leiden University. Our student today is Juliette Petra Rose van der Laarse, a game developer, learning and education enthusiast, and innovator currently studying at Leiden University.
Do they paint the same picture of the future in education or react the same way as our previous guests toward microchips and social scoring?
About the host…
I’m a filmmaker at the Centre for Innovation, Leiden University. I have a background in film and television. A few years ago I shifted my energy to innovation in education. My colleagues and I work with teachers and students where we research and pilot new technology and formats for education.
My hope for these podcasts is to create a platform for teachers and students to have crazy and daring conversations. I want people to step outside of their comfort zone and realise that their ideas for the future are within their reach.
Series 2 Guests
Education for sustainability: A look into the future
David Zetland is a university lecturer at Leiden University College, where he convenes the Governance, Economics and Development major and teaches on the commons, economics, entrepreneurship, and sustainability. He received his PhD in Agricultural and Resource Economics from the University of California, Davis in 2008, and held positions in Canada, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia and the US before coming to LUC. He has published over 20 academic articles and chapters, dozens of popular pieces, over 150 reviews, two collections of climate-fiction short stories, and three books: The End of Abundance (2011), Living with Water Scarcity (2014), and The Best of Aguanomics (2018) and edited and published two collections of climate disruption stories (Life plus 2 Meters, Volumes I and II). He reaches the public via his One-handed Economist blog and Jive Talking podcast. David lives in Amsterdam, where he enjoys coffee, genever and many varieties of water. Check out his website, Kill Your Status Quo.
Soemano (Soem) Zeijlmans worked until recently as the Sustainability Strategy & Education Coordinator at Leiden University Green Office– the university’s student-run sustainability department. At the Green Office, his tasks included working with staff and students to include sustainability in the university’s curriculums and to consult the university on sustainability strategy. Among others, he co-created the online Leiden University Sustainability Network and co-organised a conference to empower co-participation to work towards a sustainable university.
Additionally, Soem is a recent graduate of Leiden University College, The Hague, where he majored in Governance, Economics, and Development. With his company Goodrise , he works as a freelance sustainability consultant and gives impact training to organisations that campaign for a better world.
Listen to David and Soem in Education for sustainability: A look into the future.
Series 1 Guests
Education in 2030: Part 1 Guests
Dr María Gabriela Palacio is a University Lecturer at the Faculty of Humanities of Leiden University. She teaches courses on political economy of Latin America and Practising International Studies (PRINS) at the BA International Studies. She holds a PhD in Development Studies by the International Institute of Social Studies (ISS). Having held posts in more than one academic discipline, from economics to critical development studies, and moved across diverse geographical locations, she has gained great appreciation for interdisciplinary work, localised research, and accessible output. Her research contributes to critical social policy. Situated within development studies and informed by political economy, anthropology, and sociology, it seeks to understand how social policy shapes political and social identities. Most of her empirical research has focused on Ecuador, though she has written more broadly about Latin America. She is also the chair of the network LUDEN, tackling racism and other forms of exclusion at Leiden University’s working and learning environment.
Nicole is currently a third-year BA International Studies student at Leiden University. Having previously studied law in her home country, Austria, Nicole was eager to learn more about the international effects of globalisation from a multi-disciplinary perspective. She developed a special interest in South Asian religion, cultural appropriation, and inclusivity. Additionally, she was also the President of the Study Association of Leiden University (BASIS) in 2019 until 2020 where her main responsibilities were creating and leading a long and short term vision for 26+ committees as well as leading her board towards organising over 160 events. Currently she is a Student Assistant at the Centre for Innovation where she hopes to achieve an integrated and efficient Mentoring system for all incoming Leiden University students as part of the central coordination team.
Listen to María and Nicole in Education in 2030: Part 1.
Education in 2030: Part 2 Guests
Jaap Brons teaches humanities at Academie 10, an innovative high school in Utrecht, the Netherlands. Learning trough wonder is a central concept at Academie 10. In his lessons Jaap stives to achieve this through project-based assignments and giving students the freedom to research the subjects they want to learn about. He has a background in history and is currently doing his master’s in history education at Hogeschool Amsterdam.
Pelle is a student of the MA International Relations and the MA Latin American Studies at Leiden University and an active member of the University’s community. Also, he is a student assistant at the Leiden Centre for Innovation, where he researches innovation in the Dutch government.
Listen to Jaap and Pelle in Education in 2030: Part 2.
Education in 2030: Part 3 Guests
Marcello A. Gómez-Maureira — or ‘Maro’ — is a game researcher and lecturer at Leiden University, and co-founder of the small interactive media development studio “Dandy Unicorns”. Curious about the intricacies of good design, he has studied and worked in engineering, graphic design, video game development, and academic game research. His professional background informs his development work and his perspective as an educator, where he motivates students to draw from their unique range of experiences to shape their own careers. Maro publishes prolifically and has successfully attracted scholarships and grants as a result. He is drawn to research topics that explore the impact of interactive and playful design on emotions, and the potential of intentionally evoking even complex emotional states through design. Together with his equally dandy partner-unicorn, he develops games for research and education purposes that puts theory into practice.
Juliette Petra Rose van der Laarse: I studied Game development, after which I made the switch to Leiden University to study Korea studies were my academic interests grew. I worked as a freelance developer and designer outside of college to pay for my bills and got the opportunity to work on a bigger project with a team which led me to found my first startup in AR and VR development. After this I followed courses from multiple faculties and programs, including Law, Securitu Studies, and Urban Studies, and I am now working on an educational game that teaches physics to secondary school students. I am taking online programming courses with a focus on big data and AI, and started with the parttime bachelor Philosophy at Leiden University this September.
If I were to describe myself I am very eager to learn and most of my days and time are filled with studying either subjects or new skills.
Listen to Marcello and Juliette in Education in 2030: Part 3.
Sharing & Downloads
Share this page: www.centre4innovation.org/what-if-education-podcast
Embed the Spotify player on your website:
<iframe src=”https://open.spotify.com/embed-podcast/show/6MqSIsqSV0UKipGQRQ4Llf” width=”100%” height=”232″ frameborder=”0″></iframe>